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Why isn't StepMania illegal?
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80. PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hope it survives forever
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They need more evidence to convict, besides stepmania is cool.
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82. PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[DMB]dman.exe wrote:
Well, has SM or ITG applied for any patents?


Are they making any money off of it?



That's why it's not illegal.


Danford sold SM (The code) to Roxor. I'd call that "Making money off of it".
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83. PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not entirely sure if it's legal or not...But put it this way:

1.) People play Stepmania for free
2.) People like the dancing game idea
3.) People buy Dance mats (Konami makes some money)
4.) People buy PS2 versions (Konami gets a little $)
5.) People get better at the dance games
6.) People move on to the arcade (Konami scores an assload of quarters)

So really Konami is getting a ton of free advertising from it. I know they've made their fair share of money off me....(That thing I just wrote explains it)
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trob xD wrote:
6.) People move on to the arcade (Local arcades score an assload of quarters)

Fixed for you. Konami gets paid for the arcade cabinet, but the arcades get to keep the revenue.
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85. PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They would have good grounds to sue importers, since 90% of the imported DDR machines contain bootleg software.

They did (successfully) sue Andamiro once Pump It Up hit the scene (Andamiro has to pay royalties to Konami), and I'm waiting for when they sue Roxor Games for In The Groove (which is a much more blatant rip-off than PIU ever was).


Still waiting?
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86. PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syxx wrote:
Still waiting?
I highly doubt it. Are you going to wait for an answer?

I was surprised to actually see this thread bumped. I was not surprised to see it full of nonsense, like all the other legality-oriented threads around these parts...
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87. PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lil bit of a tangent here but I recently got wind of a school using Stepmania and two metal pads and have set up a ddr system. Apparenly they charge and right now im assuming theyre using official songs. I'm just wondering what the legalities of this are.
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I am sure that KOA is aware of StepMania and Dance With Intensity, but since, technically, the artwork has completely been redesigned (doesn't say DDRMAX anymore, but SMMAX), it isn't violating any copyright issues.

It could be also violating copyright issues because all of the Production BGM of SM are the official DDR bgm, I guess it could be violating copyright issues.

Like I was saying, KOA is aware of StepMania, and since "the game is an open-source simulator" and it comes with no songs, the legallity of stepmania is totally dependat on you.


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I don't know how much of a bump this is, and with near-useless contents too.... riiight.gif

About the graphics: so Wikipedia is going to get sued now?


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Wikipedia has a strict fair use policy on images, but Stepmania is open source, so it's fine.
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RBCF retunes wrote:
Wikipedia has a strict fair use policy on images, but Stepmania is open source, so it's fine.

Actually, the reverse would be true. If Wikipedia had an acceptable use policy restricting the use of the image, then the only step missing is licence from KoA. Since StepMania uses obviously derivitave images that are close enough to be considered infringement (noteskins, some bg music, characters, certain images) with no limitations on use, then it's the same as illegally downloading an MP3 and distributing it (kudos to the reference to that above).
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...It's not illegal because....

The songs are still given credit to the artists. And yes, it's increased the sales.

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93. PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

azninsect wrote:
A lil bit of a tangent here but I recently got wind of a school using Stepmania and two metal pads and have set up a ddr system. Apparenly they charge and right now im assuming theyre using official songs. I'm just wondering what the legalities of this are.


Responding to old posts, yay!

It's gray area, really. StepMania does have the coin system (check the Options out sometime), and it's open source... but the only way they would be 100% legal is if they made the songs from 100% original content, created the banners, backgrounds, etc. Then, since they're using open-source software and original content, they're fine to charge people. If you want to go a bit further, the metal pads would need to be homebuilt. However, since they aren't, it's TECHNICALLY not legal. However, unless Konami/the metal pad creators/the simfile creators decide to get angry and sue, nothing'll happen.
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Playing stepmania just makes you want to play the actual game on your feet, whether it be ITG or DDR so stepmania might as well be an advertisement for DDR.
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95. PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Why isn't StepMania illegal? Reply with quote

Promit wrote:
No, not the DWIs. Not the MP3s. The game itself.

Doesn't Stepmania (and in fact all the other sims too) fall squarely under the category of copyright violation? It's a pretty blatant rip off of DDR, you have to admit. If you look at patterns for other companies...I mean Blizzard had Freecraft shut down (C&D order) just because it was capable of similar gameplay to their Starcraft/Warcraft games.

So I guess my question is, why is Stepmania legal to begin with, and why hasn't Konami fed them a C&D order?

The reason why its legal is because konami sued the itg people for making itg. The itg people one the lawsuit. Therefore since itg was based off of stepmania its not illegal yo.
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matteh wrote:
Promit wrote:
No, not the DWIs. Not the MP3s. The game itself.

Doesn't Stepmania (and in fact all the other sims too) fall squarely under the category of copyright violation? It's a pretty blatant rip off of DDR, you have to admit. If you look at patterns for other companies...I mean Blizzard had Freecraft shut down (C&D order) just because it was capable of similar gameplay to their Starcraft/Warcraft games.

So I guess my question is, why is Stepmania legal to begin with, and why hasn't Konami fed them a C&D order?

The reason why its legal is because konami sued the itg people for making itg. The itg people one the lawsuit. Therefore since itg was based off of stepmania its not illegal yo.

I'd like to castrate myself after reading this.
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In The Groove intellectual property is now owned by Konami. Roxxor made an out of court settlement. That is why their is no itg 2 home version, itg 3, and no new cabinets...
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Even if it was illegal I'm sure you could still download it. I mean downloading music is illegal but you can find torrents everywhere.
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Even if it was illegal I'm sure you could still download it. I mean downloading music is illegal but you can find torrents everywhere.
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